# Python Embedded for Avogadro **URL:** \ **Category:** Development\ **Created:** [October 31, 2007, 2:04pm UTC](https://discuss.avogadro.cc/t/python-embedded-for-avogadro/731 "2007-10-31T14:04:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 2\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Noel\_O\_Boyle](https://discuss.avogadro.cc/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/df788c/32.png) [@Noel\_O\_Boyle](https://discuss.avogadro.cc/u/Noel_O_Boyle)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 2:04pm UTC](https://discuss.avogadro.cc/t/python-embedded-for-avogadro/731/1 "2007-10-31T14:04:04Z")
On 31/10/2007, Geoffrey Hutchison [geoff.hutchison@gmail.com](mailto:geoff.hutchison@gmail.com) wrote: > On Oct 31, 2007, at 5:21 AM, Noel O’Boyle wrote: > > > No - I’m really out of the Linux scene right now. Whatever you think > > about Windows, try to get it out on that platform, as you’d be missing > > a lot of potential users. > > It’s cross-platform. Trust me, we want Mac and Windows users: 🙂 > [Avogadro - Browse Files at SourceForge.net](http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=165310) It’s fantastic. But enough with the praise… (1) Why was I not aware that this was already available for Windows with a three-click installer…?? You’ve got some marketing to do…I’ll do a blog post for my 40 readers. (2) Where is avogadro-discuss, the users’ mailing list? (3) To me, it should be middle-mouse button to translate, right-button to zoom. Check out GaussView, Mercury and other programs. (4) When I started the program it was not on rotate mode. It should be. I spent a few minutes adding random carbon atoms to a protein. (Remember, no-one reads the manual, and everyone expects to be able to rotate the molecule) (5) I went to File, Open, looking for an example file but found none. Throw in a couple of diverse molecules, a protein and so on. (6) The big bubble on zoom is not useful. Why not add a scale along the side of the window with some measurements in Angstrom or something? (7) I closed the document and discarded changes. Clicking on “Close” again, it asked me whether I wanted to discard the changes again. Clicking on “Quit” then, it asked me again whether I wanted to discard the changes. (8) The Windows install is missing an icon for the release notes. Um, and well done. 🙂 Let me know when the scripting support is in place. Noel ---
**Author:** ![ghutchis](https://discuss.avogadro.cc/user_avatar/discuss.avogadro.cc/ghutchis/32/456_2.png) [@ghutchis](https://discuss.avogadro.cc/u/ghutchis)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2007, 5:43pm UTC](https://discuss.avogadro.cc/t/python-embedded-for-avogadro/731/2 "2007-10-31T17:43:14Z")
On Oct 31, 2007, at 10:04 AM, Noel O’Boyle wrote: > (1) Why was I not aware that this was already available for Windows > with a three-click installer…?? You’ve got some marketing to > do…I’ll do a blog post for my 40 readers. (sobbing). Now you’ve done it now, you announced it to [CCL.net](http://CCL.net). We’ve been doing something of a staged release. I announced to Blue Obelisk, and blogged about it too. We wanted to have a few more bits implemented before making [CCL.net](http://CCL.net) aware: scripting, protein ribbons, and surfaces. I think people judge based on a first impression. Our wiki isn’t really ready for public consumption, and we have some “missing pieces” based on typical expectation of a molecular editor and viewer. So we wanted to get close to a 1.0 release and then make a marketing push. So I admit that I’m hoping 40 readers might be interested but that it doesn’t make a splash on CCL. Sorry. I just don’t think the projects ready for 100s of rabid users. > (2) Where is avogadro-discuss, the users’ mailing list? I just created one. > (3) To me, it should be middle-mouse button to translate, right-button > to zoom. Check out GaussView, Mercury and other programs. Please file that as a feature request. We might add it as an option, but I’ve always had middle mouse (and scroll wheel) to zoom on programs I’ve used. We’re generally trying to pick what seems “intuitive.” For example, the manipulate tool uses the left mouse for translate because that seemed to make the most sense, rather than rotating a bunch of atoms. > (4) When I started the program it was not on rotate mode. It should > be. I spent a few minutes adding random carbon atoms to a protein. I just added that as a good bug report. We should change to the rotate tool when you open a file, but draw tool when you create a new file – because you’ll then want to add random carbon atoms. 🙂 > (5) I went to File, Open, looking for an example file but found none. > Throw in a couple of diverse molecules, a protein and so on. As I said, these releases are more like developer previews. We also want to have a library for drawing, to insert fragments. There’s definitely more to come. 🙂 > (6) The big bubble on zoom is not useful. Why not add a scale along > the side of the window with some measurements in Angstrom or > something? I’m not sure what you mean by “the big bubble on zoom.” A picture might help. The idea of a scale is a good one, and if you can elaborate in a feature request, I think we can add that. We’ve tried to add helpful “eyecandy” like that to the tools. > (7) I closed the document and discarded changes. Clicking on “Close” > again, it asked me whether I wanted to discard the changes again. > Clicking on “Quit” then, it asked me again whether I wanted to discard > the changes. That dialog box is profoundly broken on both Mac and Windows. I’m working on it. PR#1807252. > (8) The Windows install is missing an icon for the release notes. Patches (particularly to release notes or documentation) are most welcome. As I said, we’re still in the middle of the development phase, so there are some rough edges. We don’t have any tutorials either, although we’ve discussed screencasts. (e.g., how to use the tools) Cheers, -Geoff